Josh Fredman ([info]the_sinistral) wrote,
@ 2007-06-27 05:42:00
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So Far Eight Tiers of Good
"Good" as in marinara, not evil. These are not necessarily sequential, but they might be. In any case, none is inferior or superior to the others.

1) Anything pleasant. Here we have amusement, distraction, stimulation.

2) Anything satisfying. A problem of emotional or intellectual dimension is introduced and subsequently resolved in a straightforward, explicit fashion that brings a sense of closure and substance. "Satisfaction" of this sort covers the full range of experiences and is not limited to those we would describe in positive terms.

3) Anything superlative. When something resonates with a part of our character that we deem superlative, advanced, or paramount, we feel special and exclusive. Applies to all aspects of the character--physical, emotional, intellectual, personal.

4) Anything connecting. This one was suggested to me. It might simply be a physically explicit form of (8), but for now it gets its own tier. Connection is effectively the basis of all outward experience, be it with another human being or seeing something of oneself in the trees. I do think we derive much worth and identity from our connections.

5) Anything challenging. Often a difficult tier of "good" to perceive. Some challenges readily lend themselves to the swift recognition of personal enrichment, but many do not. Challenge often results in a great deal of stress, and so it is a measure of character to reach this tier often. "Challenge" in this case implies a potentially worthwhile journey or outcome, and so is distinguished from concepts like "adversity" and "harassment," which do not necessarily have any value other than to affirm one's sheer endurance and coping skills--virtues, perhaps, but beyond the purview of "good" here.

6) Anything subtle. Here we find good in places we had previously not been attentive enough to look, or had looked but only coarsely and thus not seen any--indeed, even in places we had once gone so far as to call downright bad.

7) Anything empowering. The opportunist's tier. Discretion advised. Any and all empowerment is a net good, but some are more worth the time than others. Don't be a big fish in a small pond.

8) Anything enlightening. Possibly the easiest tier to occupy, once you are actually prepared for enlightenment.



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[info]raccaldin36
2007-06-27 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Nice. That's the first dictionary-esque definition I can recall you writing.

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[info]raccaldin36
2007-06-27 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Also, you have a response here:

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/character-contribution/8164-seven-kinds-good.html

=P

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[info]the_sinistral
2007-06-28 04:34 am UTC (link)
Ah, interesting. Connecting. I might have to add that.

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[info]saggett
2007-06-28 08:29 am UTC (link)
Very good. I would have to disagree with 7), however, and argue that empowerment is a means to good, not a good in itself. A wealthy man is tremendously empowered, but that doesn't necessarily mean he possesses good.

Also, you may be interested in J.S. Mill's definition of what makes one good greater than another:

If one of the two is, by those who are competently acquainted with both, placed so far above the other that they prefer it, even though knowing it to be attended with a greater amount of discontent, and would not resign it for any quantity of the other pleasure which their nature is capable of, we are justified in ascribing to the preferred enjoyment a superiority in quality, so far outweighing quantity as to render it, in comparison, of small account.

Now it is an unquestionable fact that those who are equally acquainted with, and equally capable of appreciating and enjoying, both, do give a most marked preference to the manner of existence which employs their higher faculties.

Taken from http://utilitarianism.com/mill2.htm.

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[info]the_sinistral
2007-06-28 09:04 am UTC (link)
I would have to disagree with 7), however, and argue that empowerment is a means to good, not a good in itself. A wealthy man is tremendously empowered, but that doesn't necessarily mean he possesses good.

If I understand you, this is not that kind of "good." The concept of good at work here is the one that represents approval. I would be prepared to argue that people approve of self-empowerment, absent complicating factors.

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[info]lightspur
2007-07-01 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Really? "Subtle" above challenging & connecting?

Defend your position, Sir. Otherwise, I likee.

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[info]the_sinistral
2007-07-02 02:05 am UTC (link)
There isn't much of a position to defend. The reason I give "subtle" a higher number is that (with the exception of Nos. 7 and 8) this is the order for which the perception of these goods occurred to me. I was able to perceive good in both challenging and connecting things long before I did for subtle things. That's why I said at the beginning that the ordering scheme isn't necessarily one that implies relative superiority. It's a fairly trivial ordering scheme that applies to me only, and if I were to try to argue that it applied to anyone beyond me, I could only begin by presuming that my intellectual development is somehow correspondent to a more generalized pattern of development that describes most people to a sufficient degree--a precarious argument and more importantly one for which I have no supporting evidence; thus, an argument I would not attempt to make at this point in time, if ever.

So there is my "defense": For me, subtlety is by far the newest of the six kinds of good that I have become able to perceive. I also think of it as the most sophisticated. To put it another way, I feel my perception of subtle good to be more revealing about my character than the other five, and to be able to explain oneself in any fashion is a mark of sophistication.

If I were going to consider changing the order of anything, it would be connection and challenge, whose chronological order in my life is nebulous. I put connection lower because it is easier for me.

The last two, empowerment and enlightenment, are not a part of the order. They're purposely given higher numbers because I see them as the penultimate and ultimate "capstones" in pretty much any human system that includes them.

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